近日，国外某论坛的开拓者贴吧内，美国开拓者球迷就杨瀚森新秀赛季前几场比赛的表现进行了讨论：杨瀚森的表现怎么样？他到底是不是水货？且看美国开拓者球迷如何看待。
[–]TheCentralFlame226points1dayago
Dudeisveryyoungandhasn’ttrulyhadthetimetoputontheleanmuscleandbuildthestaminaneededtoplayinthenba.Heisn’tgoingtodomuchthisyearandhewillbetotallyfine.
开拓者球迷：这小哥们儿还太嫩了点，还没时间挂上NBA需要的肉量和练出体力槽。这赛季就别指望他carry全场了，这很正常，没啥大不了的。
[–]jboareichalupa265points1dayago
He’s20inacompletelydifferentculture/countrylearningaleaguethat’swayabovewhathe’susedto.Allwhiletryingtolearnthedominantlanguage.Let’scheckbackattheendoftheseasonandseehowfarhe’sprogressed.
开拓者球迷：人家才刚20岁，在个完全陌生的地儿，学着比自己过去水平高N个档次的联赛，还得顺便攻克英语这门必修课。急啥，等赛季结束再验收成果呗。
[–]Dazzling-Instance71480points1dayago
NottomentionthehugepressurefromChinesefans.Halfofthe“new”fanstherealreadydecidetohateonhimafterfindingoutrookieYangisnotbetterthanprimeYao,whichisnuts…Itotallyagreewithyou,andIstillhavehighhopesforhimtobecomeasolidplayer.
开拓者球迷：更别提中国球迷给的压力山大了。一堆“新”球迷发现小杨不是巅峰姚明那种bug级存在，直接就开喷了，真离谱…我顶你楼上的，我还是很看好他成为一名实力派球员的。
[–]aspazmodic2730points1dayago
IswearhalfthehumanspecieshasforgottenthatpeoplebothCANgrow,andthatittakestime.Sucksinthissub.Pureimpatienttoxicity
开拓者球迷：我发誓一半人都忘了人是可以升级的，而且需要读条时间。直播吧没救了，到处都是“前一天夸你像乔丹，转天骂你是夸梅”的浮躁心态。
[–]spidyr7points13hoursago
Instantgratificationcultureandtheboom/bust,who-won-who-lostfocusofsportsmediahascompletelydestroyedmanyfolks'abilitytojustwaitandseeandnotjumptoconclusions.It'slegitimatelysad.
开拓者球迷：现在这“一秒都等不了”的文化，加上体育媒体天天搞“谁封神谁下水道”那套，把大家等待“让子弹飞一会儿”的能力全整没了，真没劲。
[–]Charlie_Wax67points1dayago
IthinktheyshouldconsiderRemixminutes,providedthattheylikethecontinuitywiththeirGLeagueaffiliate.Ifthatseemslikeadiss,WarriorsdidthiswithPoole,Post,andmaybePodziemski.Someoftheseyoungguysneedhighlevelgametime.It'sgoingtobehardtofindNBAminutesforYangthisseasoniftheBlazerswanttobecompetitivebecausehe'sveryraw.
开拓者球迷：我觉得该让他去G联赛练练级。别觉得是贬低他，勇士当年也这么练普尔和波杰姆斯基的。有些小年轻就需要实战经验。开拓者要想冲战绩，这赛季很难给这块“毛坯”小杨多少上场时间的。
[–]Tiny_Temperature4277MatisseThybulle25points1dayago
Thiswouldbegreat.FilluptheChilesCenterforonce.HavehimrunpnrwithAshtonHagans.
开拓者球迷：那可太棒了！正好让奇利斯中心（开拓者下属球队主场）也热闹一回。让他和哈根斯多打打挡拆。
[–]AsiaNxNinja2points1dayago
Iagree.Ihopethathappenssoon.Lethimgetmoreruns
开拓者球迷：赞成！希望能尽快成行，让他多上去跑跑。
[–]smangxx90points1dayago
Heneedstoworkonhisconditioning.It’sgenuinelyinsanethathegetsgassedafter5minutesofplaytime.
开拓者球迷：他这体能得狠狠补补课。上去蹦跶五分钟就直接累成狗，也太夸张了点。
[–]AceMcStacechalupa60points1dayago
ClingangotgassedalotlastyearbutYangmakeshimlooklikehewasatriathlonrunnercomparativelylol
开拓者球迷：去年克林根也老喘不上气儿，但跟小杨这一对比，直接让克林根看起来像个铁人三项选手了，笑死。
[–]Extension-Chicken64727points1dayago
This.Hesimplyisn'tfitenoughtoplaylotsofminutesatthehighpaceofplaytheBlazersareusing.Don'tjudgehimuntilhalfwaythroughhissecondyear.
开拓者球迷：正解！开拓者这快打旋风，他这身板根本扛不了太久。等他打完第二个赛季中期再评价吧。
[–]AyKayAllDay47-2points16hoursago*
Thisalwaysblowsmymind.Yeahit'stheNBA,Igetthat.Butican'tfathomthatespeciallyasayoungathlete,howcouldyougetSOtiredinyourfirstentriesintoanNBAgame?Becauseyouspendagreaterpartofyourlifeworkingout,conditioning,etc...likewhataretheseguysdoinginpractice?HowdoesYangandevenClingangetsotiredsofast?Battlinginthepaint?Throwingaroundbigdudes?Becauseagain,thisiswhattheoffseasonisfor.Iguessnewbigmenjustimmediatelygethitwitha"-20fatigue"penaltythesecondthattheytouchthefloor?TheNBAiselite,that'sforsure.ButIdunno,ifIweretodoanythingaboveotherthings,it'dbegettingmyselfgamereadyenoughtowhereIdon'tgetgassedafter5minutesafterfinallygettingmyshot.EDIT-thanksforthereplies.I'mnotdogginginhim.Hehasalreadybeendoingsomegreatstuffonthecourt.Hopefullythekidkeepsprogressinginanupwardstrajectory!
开拓者球迷：我真是想不通。是，NBA强度大，我懂。但一个年轻运动员，刚上场没几分钟就累趴，至于吗？平时不都一直在练体能啥的吗？他们训练到底在练啥？小杨甚至克林根也是一样，咋就这么快没电了？是在篮下肉搏累的？还是扛那些壮汉累的？这不正是休赛期该准备的嘛？难道新人大个子上场就自带“体力-20”的debuff？NBA是顶级，没错。但要是我，拼了命也得先把体能搞上来，总不能好不容易上场五分钟就歇菜吧。
补充：谢谢回复。我不是在黑他，他场上有些表现很棒，希望这小伙儿继续往上走！
[–]EarthwormJam14points15hoursago
Areyou7’2”,270lbs?Iseeyourpoint,butalsohavenoideawhatitwouldfeelliketomovethatmuchmass.Andhe’sonly20,sothemusclelikelyhasn’tcaughtup.
开拓者球迷：你是有2米18，122公斤吗？我懂你意思，但我也想象不了移动那么大一坨肉是啥感觉。而且他才20，肌肉还肌肉量还没完全跟上呢。
[–]BacontrophCalebLove6points15hoursago
He'sonlybeenwiththeteamabout4monthsandprobablyhadsomeoffseasontimetohimself.Ittakesawhiletobuildupconditioningforanysportandwedidn'tdrafthimbecausehe'safreakathlete.
开拓者球迷：他入队才四个月，自己可能还休整了一段时间。练体能哪能一口吃成胖子？我们选他又不是因为他是个体能怪兽。
[–]simplearms85points1dayago
4gamesiniswaytooearlytojudgeyour16thpickbro.Stopoverreactingandwaittwoyearsorso.
开拓者球迷：才打四场球就来评判咱的16号秀？兄弟，别那么戏精，等个两年再说吧。
[–]foxcnnmsnbc10points1dayago
BradMillertooklongerthan2yearsandhewasaproductiveNCAAplayer.Yangisaprojectpick.
开拓者球迷：布拉德·米勒这种NCAA即战力都花了两年多适应。小杨本来就是选来培养的。
[–]Daeksory9728points1dayago
He'saguythatwasbroughtinbecauseofpotentialhonestly.IlikedhisgameinSummerleague,buthisissueswereprettyobvious.Hisdefenseisnotgood,andlooksalittlelostagoodbitofthetimeonthatend.Ilikedhisoffense,butknewitwouldchangecomingintoregularseasonuntilheismoreintheflowofeverything.Supereasymismatchforlotsofteams,especiallytheone'swe'veplayedagainst.Inmyeyes,justgivehimtimetoadjusttofullpaceNBAbasketballandlearnthelanguage.Thosearenotsmallthingstoovercome,Iexpecthewilllookmuchbetterbytheendofseasonwithtonsofroomtoimprovestill.Hewasnevermeanttobeaguywhocomesinandisgreatrightaway,whichistotallyfine.Justdontputalltimebestexpectationsonsomeonewho's4gamesintohisfirstseasonatthislevelandisjuststartingtolearnthelanguage.Otherwiseyou'regonnabesuperdisappointed
开拓者球迷：说实话，选他就是看中了他的潜力。夏联看他打球挺有意思，但毛病也明显。防守不太行，经常在防守端懵圈。进攻有活儿，但知道进了常规赛，在他适应节奏前会吃力。现在对面逮着他就是个错位漏洞。要我说，就给他点时间适应NBA的闪电战和学英语吧。这俩都不是小事儿。估计赛季末就能像样很多，而且潜力还大着呢。他本来就不是即战力，这没啥。别对一个才打4场球、英语刚入门的新人抱持史上最强的期待，不然你得失望到姥姥家。
[–]mojomarc2points22hoursago
There'salsoabigdifferenceintermsofhowhewasusedinsummerleague.Whilenotthecompletefocalpointoftheoffense,hehadtheballinhishandsasafacilitatorandpick/pop/rolloption.He'sjustnotgettingtheballinhishandsnow,andI'mnotevensureIcanthinkofanytimehewasusedthatwayintheregularseason.Sothereisdefinitelyafishoutofwaterthinggoingonthere.Ondefense,Ithinkheneedsfitnessandminutes.Butoffense,he'sgoingtohavealottolearnifSplitterisn'tgoingtolethimcookabit
开拓者球迷：而且他在夏联和现在的用法天差地别。夏联他虽然不是绝对核心，但也能持球组织、打打挡拆。现在球都摸不到几次，常规赛我都没见他这么打过。所以现在肯定浑身不得劲。防守端需要体能和时间。进攻端嘛，如果教练不给他点自由发挥的空间，那他可有得学了。
[–]lunes_azul18points1dayago
Terriblesofar,buthighhopeshe’llfigureitout.HisconditioningmakesrookieClinganlooklikeamarathonrunner.NeedstobesenttotheG-League
开拓者球迷：目前来看是菜得抠脚，但还是相信他能开窍。他那体能，对比之下新秀克林根都能去跑马拉松了。赶紧把他下放G联赛练级吧。
[–]TheDoethrak13points22hoursago
PeopleforgetthatJokic,3xMVP,didnotevenplayhisfirstyearintheNBAaftergettingdrafted.Givetheguysome
开拓者球迷：大家都忘了，三届MVP约老师新秀年可是直接闭关修炼了一年。给人家点时间好吧！
注：约基奇2104年被掘金选中，2014-15赛季没有打NBA。
[–]ConsiderationLong3818points1dayago
toomuchplaystation.notenoughcardio.promisingnonetheless
开拓者球迷：游戏打太多，有氧运动做太少。不过底子还是好的。
[–]No-Plan-88379points22hoursago
ImaginethinkingaplayerwillcontributerightawayafterlivinginAmericafor4months,learningthelanguageandpaceofthegameat20,4gamesintotheregularseason.Yallareimpatient&delusional
开拓者球迷：想想看，一个20岁的小伙，来美国才四个月，要学语言、适应节奏，常规赛才打了4场，你们就指望他立刻做出贡献？你们真是又心急又爱做梦。
[–]notPabst40414points1dayago
Bad.ButYangwasadevelopmentproject,weneedtogiveitatleast2seasonsbeforeanysignificantjudgement.
开拓者球迷：打得是烂。但小杨本来就是长期理财产品，至少持有个两年再看盈亏吧。
[–]blazer4ever13points1dayago
Heisgoodatsettingscreensbutthatdoesnotshowuponthestatssheet..defenseneedswork,andmayneverbetherebuttooearlytojudge.Offenseneedsabreakoutgame.IhopehecangetsomerepsintheGleaguetogetsomeconfidenceback.
开拓者球迷：他挡拆做得挺瓷实，但这数据体现不出来。防守是硬伤，可能永远也练不出来了，但现在判死刑还太早。进攻需要一场比赛来破冰。希望他去G联赛找找状态，刷点自信回来。
[–]mk90086points1dayago
Feelslikeeveryonegottheirhopesupthathe'dbearevelationrightawaybecausethenameJokicwasthrownaround.ItwilltakeafewyearsuntilIfeellikewecanjudgehimtruly.Idon'tthinkitsfairtosaythathelooksbadbecausehesnottryinghardenoughoranythingofthatsort,hehasalotofthingstoovercomelikethelanguagebarrier,culturalshift,andconditioningbeforehecanevenstartworkingonthenittygrittyofhisgame.
开拓者球迷：感觉就因为媒体提了几次约基奇，大家就都指望他立刻成神了。得等几年才能真正评判他。说他不行是因为不努力，那太不公平了。他得先克服语言关、文化关、体能关，然后才能打磨技术细节呢。
[–]Gavinmusicman7points1dayago
Ithinksomethingtoconsiderisweareplayingatamadpace.Anyrookiemaystruggletryingtokeepupwithhowfastwe’retryingtoplay.Youcanseethevetsarereallyfindingtheirfootingthointhedecisionmaking.We’renotinrebuildanymore.Iloveyang.It’sjustgonnatakesometime!
开拓者球迷：别忘了咱们现在打的是疯狗节奏。任何新秀想跟上都得掉层皮。老将们决策都才刚找到感觉。如今我们已经不再摆烂了。我喜欢小杨，只是他需要点时间！
[–]southpaw_balboa3points1dayago
imean,he’sabsolutelyterribleandinwayoverhisskis.butyoucanalsowatchhimlearnandimproveonapossessiontopossessionbasis.ithinkthere’sarealchancehewindsupbeingprettydece
开拓者球迷：就是说，他现在是菜到离谱，完全跟不上趟。但你也能看见他每个回合都在学在进步。我觉得他最后真有可能混得相当不错的。
[–]Jooscee4points1dayago
Bepatient.Lethimadapttothecultureandspeedofthegame.Theskillisthere.Letitfallintoplace.Rememberduringthedrafttheinitialquoteswherehe’stwoyearsfrombeingready.He’sgoingtogetingameshapeandstarttoshine.
开拓者球迷：耐心点。让他适应适应文化和节奏。技术是有的，水到自然渠成。选秀时不就说了他需要两年准备期嘛。等他把身体状态调整好，自然会发光的。
[–]cbbrds25ToumaniCamara4points23hoursago
CompareitwithCedricCoward
开拓者球迷：这是拿他跟科沃德比呢。
[–]Smaug5511points1dayago
Would’veratherhadCoward
开拓者球迷：当初还不如选科沃德呢。
注：灰熊今年选秀大会用16号签（杨瀚森）+未来首轮签+两个次轮签从开拓者换来11号签（科沃德）。科沃德目前场均16分3.8篮板2助攻。
[–]dubmecrazysabas7points1dayago
RemindMe!5years.
开拓者球迷：你给我设个闹钟！五年后闹钟一响，喊我回来打肿你的脸。
[–]StutzBob4points23hoursago
It'sjustahandfulofgames,doesn'tmeananything.Butwheneveryoneisshockedyouselectedaplayerwellabovetheirdraftprojection,there'susuallyareasonforthat.It'sprettyraretooutsmarttheconventionalwisdom,andwhenithappensit'susuallyjustdumbluck.IlikeHansenbutitwasasillypick.
开拓者球迷：几场比赛而已，说明不了啥。但当你跳选一个让大家惊掉下巴的球员时，通常事出有因。想靠选秀出奇制胜很难，成功了多半也是撞大运。我喜欢小杨，不过开拓者这次选人确实有点憨。
[–]MookieV2points21hoursago
Waytooearlytomakeanykindofassertions,I'mnotworriedthough.
开拓者球迷：现在下任何结论都太早了，不过我是一点也不方。
[–]BakerNecessary17862points14hoursago
HonestlyIdon'texpectmuchforthefirst1-2seasons.IfheisstillonlygettingafewminsandminimalstatsintonextseasonImightstarttogetconcerned.I'dbemoreworriedaboutSharpeshootingunder17%from3atthispoint.
开拓者球迷：说实话，头一两个赛季我没啥期待。如果下赛季他还是只能捞到几分钟、数据垫底，我可能才会开始着急。现阶段我更担心夏普三分都铁到17%以下了啊喂！！
[–]Remote_Elevator_2811point1dayago
Bro,heneedslike5yearsofdevelopment.Relax
开拓者球迷：兄弟，他这养成起码得五年。淡定。
[–]nope_a_dope2371point1dayago
Yangisdefinitelylearningaboutthe3secondruleslowly.Idolikehim.
开拓者球迷：小杨肯定在慢慢啃防守三秒的规则手册。不过我挺喜欢他的。
[–]Soup3rTROOP3R1point22hoursago
Thegamewillslowdownforhim.Cbaisamuchslowerleagueandhe’sgettingworkedrightnow.
开拓者球迷：比赛节奏总会在他眼里慢下来的。从CBA那慢悠悠的联赛节奏里混出来的人，现在肯定被NBA这强度上课了。
[–]bonkers-joeMama1point20hoursago
Yangneedstobegivenfullgametimeingleague.Youcan'tdevelopaplayerwhilehesitsonthefreakingbench.EvencooperflaggtheNo.1pickisnottearingthecityapartinDallas,heislearningonthejobwhilehewasthebestplayerincollegelastyear.NBApaceisdifferent,heneedshandsongameexperience
开拓者球迷：得让杨去G联赛可劲儿造。你把球员按在冷板凳上怎么培养？人家状元弗拉格在达拉斯也没大杀四方啊，他去年还是大学最佳球员呢，现在不也得边打边学。NBA节奏不一样，他需要的是真刀真枪的干。
[–]phijef1point16hoursago
Let’stalkinMarch
开拓者球迷：小样到底水不水这事儿，咱们等到明年三月份再聊吧。
[–]FU-Jobu1point16hoursago
He’sasexpected,hassomeniceskills,butstillprettyrawandneedstokeepworking.Ialsodon’tthinkstat-watchingisthebestwaytojudgeaprospect’sdevelopmentafewweeksintotheseason
开拓者球迷：他的状况跟我预期的一样，有点小手活，但还很毛糙，得继续练。而且我觉得赛季才几周，你们天天盯着数据表评价新秀成长，这不是个好习惯。
[–]Forbidden_Donut5031point12hoursago
I’mprettyencouraged.Hisstatsarenotgoodobviouslybuthegetsgassedafter5minutes,andclearlyhasn’tevencomeclosetoadjustingtothespeedoftheNBA.ButyoucantellhehasahighBBIQ.Hesetsmonstersscreensdowninthepaintthathasledtosomeeasybucketsforhisteammates.Don'tthinkhe'sgoingtocontributemuchatallthisyear.I’dlovetoseehimgetsometimewiththeremix
开拓者球迷：我反而挺受鼓舞。数据是难看，五分钟就累趴，也完全没适应NBA速度。但你能看出他球商在线，在油漆区做的那些高质量掩护给队友创造了不少轻松得分的机会。觉得他今年是指望不上了。我倒很想看他去G联赛打打。
[–]frecklie28points3hoursago
He’sveryyoungandforeignandtheNBAisextremelychallenging.Yourexpectationsweretoohigh.Wewillnotknowifhewasabustornotforliketwomoreseasons.Thebiggestthingthatwilldefinewhetherheisabustornotishisworkethicandmentalityfromnowuntilthen.Weshallsee
开拓者球迷：他年纪小，又是外来户，NBA难度地狱级。是你们期望值拉太高了。他是不是水货，得再等两个赛季才知道。决定他成败的关键，是看他从现在开始努不努力、心态咋样。咱就走着瞧吧。
[–]TrombearYangHansen6points3hoursago
HeneedsG-leaguetime.Iglazehimasmuchasanyone,buthehasbeenarawprospectfromthestart.Heneedstophysicallyadaptandthattakestime,especiallywithateamthat'sfastevenbyNBAstandards.Don'tmistakesomeonethat'sexhaustedforsomeonethatdoesn'tcare
开拓者球迷：他需要G联赛充电。我虽然是他粉丝，但他从一开始就是块毛料。他需要身体上的适应，这得花时间，尤其是在一支NBA里都算快的球队。人家只是被累成狗了，那表情可不是不在乎。
[–]KillingTime_ForNow5points3hoursago
He'snotplayinginthesummerleagueanymore.Halfthoseguysarejusttryingtogetintotheg-league.
开拓者球迷：他现在打的可不是夏季联赛了。夏联的那帮人，有一半人吭哧吭哧的，那能力撑死就是为了挤进G联赛打上球。